"If you feel lost..., you will discover yourself, like a lotus flower in full bloom, even in a muddy pond.."
Masaru Emoto, The Secret Life of Water
Review of the Speed 4 Lotus 21 by Lmrutledge in kiteforum.
New Material: 10 +
Weight: Lighter than my Speed 3 21: Did not weigh. Def Lighter
New Lines and Bridle: 10: Faster Launch
Tip Tuck: Tried and could NOT make it even look like a Tip Tuck
Launch: Fills 10 Times faster than the Speed 3 21
Back Stall: No WAY...
Power During Turn: Has more Power/Controllable in Ultra Light Wind than the Speed 3
Rigidity: The Kite looks like its made of Fiberglass: Meaning, it has no Flex, Tip Tuck or any Flutter in the Leading edge.
Crazy Stable: Over head with hands OFF the bar it just Sits and waits for the Next Command
Upwind: Most Def. Has More Static Pull in Ultra Light wind than the Speed 3. Pulls Harder UPWIND in Super light wind by Itself.
Landing: Flew to edge of Window until Tip touched, then back stalled and the Kite behaved Way better than the Speed 3 21. Just sat there until I walked up the lines. The wind could have been lighter but I felt it was more controllable.
DISCLAIMER: I paid for the Speed 4 21. I flew the Kite for 1 hour and a half. You could say that School is still out or the F.L. has not Sung yet.
However: I can tell you without a Doubt that I could not have had the Upwind pull or as much effortless fun on my Edge 19.
When I came in, the Wind was on the Ground approx. 6 MPH. I don't know what it was at the Kite level. However, it had more Stability and did not loose its shape compared to the Speed 3 21 in the Super Light wind.
PACKING UP: Flysurfer has done something different internally with the Speed 4. As I said the Inflate was WAY faster and the DEFLATE was much faster and easier than the Speed 3 21. I might be Imaging things BUT I don think so.
The 21 turned like I would Imagine a Speed 16M would turn. I know they don't make a 16 meter. Im not sure it turns like a 15m Speed is the reason I mentioned it.
All in ALL it was the Easiest Sesh I have ever had on a Speed 21 as far as Prep, launch, kiting and Landing.
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here is my official report of my first impression of the new Flysurfer 10m Cronix:
Cronix 10m Tube Kite Test:
Test Conditions: 0 degree Celsius air temp and 4 degree Celsius water temp. Some very small Choppy little waves and Side Off Shore winds very gusty 10-20mph
1st I was so excited to see it as soon as it arrived I opened it up in the Office. My first impression was the kite looked very complicated and had a lot of Bridle lines going on. I noticed the shorter Struts and what seemed to be an adjustable trailing edge, the adjustable bar pressure and Grab handles. The quality really looked great as I carefully inspected her. .
Out of the Bag I layed out the kite and started to pump it up , I was amazed at how fast the kite filled with only leading edge and 3 short struts. On my first inspection I missed that the kite only had 3 struts. I was more looking at the bridle which seems a bit more then most kites, But after a close inspection I realized the bridle is very simple and although looks like more then other kites but is really less then some big name lei’s…Once in the Air the kite flies really nice it seems to have very good power for a 10m and is very Fast across the window turning speed seems very good . The wind was very Flukey and shifting and gusty but this kite was really mega stable for these conditions.. I am one of the only kiters that rides the VB ocean front in these offshore wind conditions…I was Underpowered on the Twin tip but really wanted to ride the New Cronix so I grabbed my surfboard and went for a ride. On the water this kite really flies great and is one of the smoothest inflatable kites I have ever flown actually it flies so similar to a Flysurfer. The kite is very responsive and while surfing waves does everything you want it to… The Bar pressure is perfect for me and I seemed to know where this kite was at all times.. It turns really nice. The Turning radius is just a bit wider then say a “delta Style Kite” But for me I thought the turning speed was just perfect… This kite was just so stable looped very nice with good power coming as the kite looped but not uncontrollable… I thought it had really nice depower but these wind conditions did not allow me to see what the true depower is. On the twin tip I was able to throw some Kite loops and it was fun, unhooked the kite flew very good with very little back stall it would only try to back up when the wind lulled to the 10mph mark. It seemed to have a nice upward lift during jumps and I always knew where the kite was in the air…. I did not try water relaunches and such since the wind was 30-40 degrees off shore and so cold. It really seemed to do everything well. The self launch feature is awesome the Adjustable Bar pressure is another great innovation and last but certainly not least is the adjustable trailing edge which sets the FLYSURFER CHRONIX apart from all other wings…With one knot change the kite can be changed from wave to free ride to extreme freestyle it takes 10 second max to dial in your kite to the perfect conditions…… A true all-rounder for beginners – pro level.. Flysurfer has done it again and while many companies seem to be sitting stale in innovation and have not improved their kites since 2009 only adding gimics etc., Flysurfer steps up and brings a fresh new design with new innovations that sets the new standard of what inflatable kite performance should be.
I will be doing a complete new video review of the 12m Chronix with a true explanation of all the Flysurfer Innovations...
Thanks Guys Ted B
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Woodtli, the Swiss Flysurfer man had the ideal wind conditions shortly after receiving his first batch of Speed 4s. This is what he has to say about these babies:
Flysurfer Speed 4 - 8.0 & 10.0 review.
We had the chance to test the Speed 4 8.0 & 10.0 in super strong & gusty winds.
The conditions we normally not really have in Switzerland:
0° Celsius (ok, in winter it's even colder ;))
Snow. Average Wind: 25-33 kts
Really reduce Bridle system. Only A,B & Z - > simplified mixer. Just one pulley left on each side. There are fishing lines at the entry of the canopy (Rigid Foil Technology by GIN) which gives the kite a better profile and more "shape". No more Jet Flaps. The Airouttake is now in the middle. and is in the same color as the color shame of the kite. So even Fipi won't forget to close it ;)
The rest is in the high flysurfer quality as usual. We don't write about the Bar Inf. 2.0 as it is well known already. — at Yvonand Beach!
Just one word: Really NICE… ok that where 2 words ;)
Really direct and super smooth. Like a flysurfer. We had a really gusty day but the kite is a real gust eater.
It's the typical FS Feeling in the air. But with lots of more wind. — at Yvonand Beach!
Now we come to the really interesting Point: the Hangtime…
The Speed 3 was already called: the Flying Machine… but the Speed 4 just tops it. Sheet in the Bar… keep it there and up you go… and up, up, up…. and then you just fly….amazing.
Even standart landings without landing loops are super soft. Really nice hangtime. WE LOVE IT — at Yvonand Beach!
It turns really fast. We had the feeling that the turning & the speed was faster & higher then the Psycho 4 in the same size. The Landing Loops and Kiteloops just worked really well. I was surprised how well! GOOOOOOD Job there FS :) — at Yvonand Beach!
As mentioned before: Gust eater.
But also when you depower the kite it's still super stable.
We had the chance to test the Speed 4 8.0 & 10.0 in super strong & gusty winds. The conditions we normally not really have in switzerland:
0° Celsius (ok, in winter it's even colder ;))
Average Wind: 25-33 ktsEven at the beach when you land it, we normally have wing tip collapsing wight the Speed3's (cause the wind comes a bit over trees and there are wind rotors). Not with the Speed 4's at all. STABLE!
Now here comes the only concern so far:
The range is HUGE. But the 2/3 of the rope are enough to completly depower the kite. The last 1/3 is just nice to have.
So you have to get use to it, that you generate much more power/depower on shorter travel way of the bar. But ones this is mastered. You will love it. It feels strange for the first 5 minutes.
Then it's mastered and it works really perfect.
We came up with this: for starting and landing we use the full depower rope. As soon as we are on the water, we pull the stopper 1/3 down and have a perfect working system. This will be super for shorter kiters and also for kids and kite girls.
Fipi just dropped it ones. But as soon as he had his head out of the water… the kite was already in the air.
Fipi had to pull the safety as he got his 2 feet into the bar when he crashed really hard after a megaloop. So far so good. Almost no rest pull.
It really was not the day to test the lowed. But we did not reach the high end yet! The fat guy (me - 93 kgs naked) took the 8.0. The skinny Fipi ( 75kgs) took the 10.0. The badest Gust was 45 kts measured. NO PROBLEMO… not even had to pull the adjuster.
All in all:
We really had a lot of concerns about this kite. But after today we love it and won't change it ;)
I normally ride tubes when the wind is over 25kts. For safety reasons and because the tubes are just more rigid and stable in these conditions.
But the Speed 4 has totally showed us today that they work in higher winds. And not only 4 pros. There where some other testers that really liked the kite.
All in all: Flysurfer… well done!
You have made a goooooood successor to the psycho 4's. Now please keep up the fantastic work and bring us the Speed 4 in bigger sizes :)
— with Limacher André, Lennart van Schuilenburg, Philippe Woodo Woodtli, Ramon Schoenmaker, Michael Kaspar, Ernst Novak, Dylan van der Meij, Gunnar Biniasch, Armin Harich and Yusca Balogh.
Were they all there really?
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"And your black and white stripes [to Marty the Zebra]? They cancel each other out! You're nothing!"
Alex the Lion
The Madagascar gallery deserves some commenting.
The story behind the pictures will be posted here within a week.
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"Minds are like parachutes. They only function when they are open."
Here is the promised part 3 of the Apostate's review, which should now be titled: "A foil reviewed by an ex-LEI rider: more unexpected benefits".
A foil reviewed by an (ex-)LEI rider.
Well, I'm writing this to clear some things up. Firstly, some foils, or in particular the Flysurfer Speed3 21m DELUXE is (or are) GREAT for wake style! I mean think about it. A super solid, stable, forgiving powerhouse that can rip you off the water comfortably in anywhere from 7-16 knots! I weigh about 77 kg and I ride a 134 Nobile NHP, which has loads of rocker and is NOT a light wind board. The 21m soaks up the gusts better than any LEI kite I've ever ridden and I've ridden quite a few.
After kiting for over 9 years and managing one of the biggest schools in Australia. I got to demo ALL the gear, but never a Flysurfer. I was a Naish Australia Promotional rider and was happy on my Torches. After leaving Melbourne for Phuket, Thailand and getting so frustrated with those perfect 10 knot days that are useless on a LEI. I tried one. I'm telling you now, they will get you more time on the water than you thought possible. If you are open minded and ride it for long enough to give it a fair go, you will like it. There is nothing else out there that can compare in that wind range.
It's not just that, they are really FUN! Think about it, That's what most kiters dream of, there perfect day, a day where you're always powered up, able to control your board speed just by edging and always having enough power to really throw down, hooked-in or un-hooked. But you still have loads of de-power and are always comfortable. It just makes the wind seem smoother! I challenge any one to take one out for an hour and not come back with a big smile on your face.
Some people could argue that there is too much bar pressure when your un-hooked, not in my opinion. Maybe a little more than my 14m Torch but very relative to its bigger size. But wake style or most "new school" kiting styles are inspired by Wake Boarding and Cable Park riding anyways. And if anybody has been Wake Boarding or been to the Cable Park they would know that there is more bar pressure than most kiters can handle. Example: if you can do a back roll on a kite, doing one behind a boat is at least 3 times as hard and painful if not landed.
Not just that but take out a skim board and you'll have hours of fun! You can un-hook it and just keep doing flat 3's. The kite just keeps floating with you. Or super easy to practice your old school board offs.
Basically I think the only reason people would NOT like a kite that's loads of fun, even in under 10 knots, re-launches easily, is an up wind machine, has great boost and is great for wake style/new school is that they have not tried one. I love kiting; I mean I really love it. And I love sharing it with people. If I can be out on the water having a blast almost everyday, then I want people to know about this.
Get ready for the revolution!
A LEI Apostate
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"If you're going to panic, panic constructively"
One of the best post ever on kiteforum.
Don't Panic, by Chillbay.
Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:42 pm
As an enthusiastic kiter I thought I'd share an experience I had about 25 years ago whilst windsurfing. So a little off topic (windsurfing) but it has relevance even in Kiteboarding. This was before safety releases, harness knives back in the day.
Once upon a time: I was riding a short board, ill-fitting foot straps, hooked in and I was flying. I was following this boat and thought I'd use the wake to help me launch. I thought I was competent, I could jump, carve gybe, duck gybe and so on. So I thought I was in a safe place.
I always respected the ocean, nearly drowned when I was 12 and it's never left me.
Back to the story, I was following the boat and launched off the wake, as I left the water I was hit by a very strong gust, still hooked in the gust ripped the sail out of my hands and I along with board and sail spun in the air. I landed in the water face down with the sail laying on top of me, it all happened so quick I had little time to take a breath.
I remember it now, I'm under the water, looking up at the sun through the window in my sail but below the water, I tried to claw my way to the side of the sail so I could get my head out of the water but couldn't because I was still hooked in, I couldn't unhook because somehow my harness line was twisted round the hook and it was under strain.
My feet had gone through the straps and the board floating upside down and I couldn't get my feet out because every time I tried the board would just move towards me. At this point my body was twisted as you can see, I thought I was going to die right there.
I don't know why but everything just stopped, for some reason, I stopped panicking, only then I started to think straight. Instead of struggling I just stopped, I guess I didn't have long left, perhaps it's some form of realisation I don't know. But only then was I able to think clear.
I relaxed, put my hands on my harness hook and worked out what was what, I got clear of that, once I was unhooked I could get my hands to the board and push the board off my legs, I twisted and got to the side of the sail and my head came out of the water, for the first time in what felt like an eternity I took the biggest breath I had ever taken. I still remember to this day looking through the window of my sail seeing the blue sky and thinking it was going to be the last thing I'd ever see.
So really this taught me a hard lesson, no matter how good you think you are, you can still die. It never kept me off the water though, I enjoy windsurfing, Kiteboarding, can't get enough of it. So you want as many safety devices as you can get, sometimes it just comes down to you, you still have to operate them. When you think you are in big trouble you are going to panic, so go through it in you mind, if this happens if that happens, chances are it will if your doing it long enough.
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